{"id":2310,"date":"2022-07-11T09:56:40","date_gmt":"2022-07-11T14:56:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ancientphilosophysociety.org\/?p=2310"},"modified":"2022-07-11T09:56:43","modified_gmt":"2022-07-11T14:56:43","slug":"plato-and-aristophanes-comedy-politics-and-the-pursuit-of-a-just-life","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ancientphilosophysociety.org\/website\/plato-and-aristophanes-comedy-politics-and-the-pursuit-of-a-just-life\/","title":{"rendered":"Plato and Aristophanes: Comedy, Politics, and the Pursuit of a Just Life"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In Plato and Aristophanes, Marina Marren contends that our search for communal justice must start with self-examination. The realization that there are things that we cannot know about ourselves unless we become the<br \/>\nsubject of a joke is integral to such self-scrutiny. Jokes provide a new perspective on our politics and ethics; they are essential to our civic self-awareness.<\/p>\n<p>Marren makes this case by delving into Plato\u2019s Republic, a foundational work of political philosophy. While the Republic straightforwardly condemns the decadence and greed of a tyrant, Plato\u2019s attack on political idealism is both solemn and comedic. In fact, Plato draws on the same comedic stock and tropes as Aristophanes\u2019s plays. Marren\u2019s book strikes up an innovative conversation between three works by Aristophanes\u2014Assembly Women, Knights, and Birds\u2014and Plato\u2019s philosophy, prompting important questions about individual convictions and one\u2019s personal search for justice. These dialogic works offer critiques of tyranny that are by turns brilliant, scathing, and exuberant, making light of faults and ideals alike. Philosophical comedy exposes despotism in individuals as well as systems of government claiming to be just and good. This critique holds as much bite against contemporary injustices as it did at the time of Aristophanes and Plato.<\/p>\n<p>Purchase Here (https:\/\/nupress.northwestern.edu\/9780810144187\/plato-and-aristophanes\/)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Plato and Aristophanes, Marina Marren contends that our search for communal justice must start with self-examination. The realization that there are things that we cannot know about ourselves unless we become the subject of a joke is integral to such self-scrutiny. Jokes provide a new perspective on our politics and ethics; they are essential to our civic self-awareness. Marren makes this case by delving into Plato\u2019s Republic, a foundational work of political philosophy. 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